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Social Darwinism, Survival of the Fittest, Friedrich Nietzsche and the weakest social/economic sectors.

Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:09 AM EST
politics, money, the-economy, social-darwinism, survival-of-the-fittest, friedrich-nietzsche, the-rich-and-the-poor, jobs-and-opportunites, social-sectors
By Vlad's dog
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One of the things that I keep seeing in the debates about politics, the economy, jobs and opportunity and the basics of survival are the creeping ghost words of the Social Darwinists haunting the discussion. Some, not many, but some have even crossed over into the Eugenics area without even thinking where that road has lead us before.

The arguments tend to de-volve into who is a drag on society and who adds to the society. So I think it only fair to re-visit this discussion again because it has really always been underneath a lot of what people are saying. The idea that only the poorest of us are a drag on society has been out there since even before Darwin wrote of the evolution of the species. many thinkers even tied his theory into a social and economic construct that would describe a way to solve many if not all of our societies problems.

Those who produce and are productive are the best of the best and should be given all opportunites to grow and add to the collective. In fact, some have even suggested that the right to vote be tied to economic status and even intellectual status. That my friends is Political/Social Darwinism at its finest. The best get to voice their opinion while the rest just get to go along.

The idea that only those on the lowest economic sector are a drag on the economy, that rises all the costs of society and that are really a burden to be pointed at is as old as the hills and is a clear deviation from reality many times.

Some of our finest minds came out of those lower social and economic sectors. Artists,scientists, inventors, politicians, musicians, entrepreneurs, business owners and financial wizards have added to our society over and over again. Now, that would suggest that opportunity is there for any one to grab it. Yes, to a certain extent that is true, but there are many other deciding factors that are missed or ignored in favor of believing that opportunity is available to every single person in that society. Opportunity is a social construct but all opportunities are not the same or even available everywhere at the same time. It can be hit or miss all the time.

So, who is a drag on society, who should be the culprit for the economic problems we all face today?

Friedrich Nietzsche weighed in on this discussion and I would like to leave what he had to say.

Whenever progress is to insue, deviating natures are of great importance. Every progress must be preceded by a partial weakening, the strongest natures retaining this type and the weaker ones help to advance it. Something similar happens to the individual. There is rarely a degeneration, a truncation or even a vice or any physical or moral loss without an advance somewhere else. In a warlike and restless clan, for example, the sicklier man may have occasion to be alone, and may therefore become quieter and wiser, the one eyed man will have one eye stronger, the blind man will see deeply inward and certainly hear better. To this extent, the famous theory of the survival of the fittest does not seem to me to be the only viewpoint from which to explain the progress of strengthening of a man or a race.....

I think what Nietzsche had to say back then is still relevent to todays arguments.

We never know who will rise above, who will add to the collective social structure in a positive manner. If money is a deciding factor on who or what type of person gains and who doesn't gain then we are losing a lot of bright and productive members to an artificial social construct that is at best Monatary Darwinism. Those who always have more money get more opportunity, a larger voice and better protections. It would seem that if money is the only social construct that is important, then that will ultimately create the survival of the richest. They will survive till the foundation they stand on crumbles!

We never know where or how growth will come from, it would seem that we have ignored this factor for a while now because we have ended up thinking money always equals growth and productivity. The problem with that is that those who made the money and productivity could and do end up passing it on to less productive progeny. They are also a drag on society but we let them go because they have money, they have arrived to a point where they are considered productive even when they are not. They have the feathers of respectability while showing very little intelligent thought about how they use their money and the power money gives them.

It is not always one social sector that can be a drag on our society.

Well, I am done barking, your turn.

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Vlad's dog

There are many drags on our society, each sector has them. It would seem that one size arguments have replaced really looking at all factors involved.

  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:12 AM EST
DaVinci-984257

There are many drags on our society, each sector has them.

And the biggest one is Wall Street!

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:38 PM EST
boattrash

Very thought provoking article, thanks.

Everything and everyone has both positive and negative qualities, either can at times be improving society while also creating a drag on society at the same time. The problem is in the balance. Then comes different peoples perception of the balance, perception to me is where the arguments always start. We all seem to have 20/20 vision when it comes to spotting what other peoples obligations should be.

As hard as we try to be or make things fair and equal, there will always be winners and losers, at least to some extent. Nothing will ever seem fair to everyone at the same time.

Sometimes we tend to fix things until they are broke, instead of just leaving them alone and letting them run slightly inefficiently.

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:25 AM EST
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nica1829

Great article. I wish people would pause & think before declaring anyone a drag on society. I wish they would think that maybe someone somewhere thinks that they are the drag. I know if wishes were nickels... (I would have made a dime right here).

  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:20 AM EST
Vlad's dog

Where do I send your dime nica? :)

  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:26 AM EST
nica1829

You can just add it to the money I get paid here for posting... LOL

  • 5 votes
#2.2 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:20 PM EST
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etva

Interesting article Vlad. My first thought was somewhat cliche - the higher you are, the bigger the "splat" when you fall.

Every individual has the potential to help or hinder, no matter what place they hold in our society. It seems to me, that communities are better off nuturing the positive potential, rather than playing blame games.

  • 7 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:31 AM EST
Vlad's dog

You know etva, I like cliches because they are really simple truths, not always but many times. But they have flip side too, they become standards for arguments, it is a very fine line.

  • 6 votes
#3.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:48 AM EST
etva

Very true, which is why I'm not overly fond of cliches myself, but I can't seem to stop the little buggers from popping into my head - LOL:)

  • 6 votes
#3.2 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:07 PM EST
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Bad Fish

We all have to work together to fix the world this year because according to the Mayan calender next year the fittest and the weakest die together.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:43 AM EST
Vlad's dog

Bad Fish, I was discussing this the other night with some ancient Incans, they say the Mayans are way off on their calculations. I better go talk to the Aztecs about all of this.

  • 9 votes
#4.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:49 AM EST
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ERich-356044

Great article Vlad!

I completely understand the idea of your article. However, my brain is still foggy on antihistamines(been sick for a bit now) and let me give you an example of what a drag would be ...

Despite its popular status, Wal Mart and the execs of Wal Mart are actually a drag on society. They get this because they refuse to provide insurance for their employees on the lowest levels despite their ability to provide it, and force them to apply for govt. assistance insurance. This in turn puts the burden on the tax payer. It is a vicious circle. The drag is not the actual employees that are denied insurance buy ins, but the corporation that refuses to offer it.

Also, the CEO's on Wall St, paying less taxes, thus less is being put in to the general welfare of the US citizen.

Am I getting warm?

  • 12 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:43 AM EST
Vlad's dog

Your really close to the fire. Must be the drugs. lol

  • 6 votes
#5.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:46 AM EST
ERich-356044

Awesome!

It is quite a big idea, and I like the way of thinking of who really is the drag on society. You are right... it isn't truly about the money and who doesn't have it.

  • 5 votes
#5.2 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:52 AM EST
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afloatinasea

My, my

"We never know where or how growth will come from, it would seem that we have ignored this factor for a while now because we have ended up thinking money always equals growth and productivity. The problem with that is that those who made the money and productivity could and do end up passing it on to less productive progeny. They are also a drag on society but we let them go because they have money, they have arrived to a point where they are considered productive even when they are not. They have the feathers of respectability while showing very little intelligent thought about how they use their money and the power money gives them".

It is not always one social sector that can be a drag on our society.

Vlad are the rich not part of the "we" or the "we" just the "not rich". How do you judge productivity? Is it judged by how many jobs are created, how many charities are given money, how much more that is added to their wealth by investments or is it by how much the "we" can forcibly take from the "rich". So once again Marxism raises its ugly head. Class warfare by people who seem to have one thing in mind, punish the wealthy and if possible destroy the wealthy "class". So true to Marxism it is the ones that don't have "wealth" that know best what to do with the "wealth" they haven't earned or paid taxes on and left to their children. So some of the inherited wealth is spent foolishy, that is non of your business unless of course you believe that you are superior to others. Are you and does that make you a "wealthy" person that should be controlled by the "we"?

  • 2 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:25 PM EST
Vlad's dog

Now, now, now, afloatinasea, you read much more than I offer here. Niether I nore Mr. Nietzsche are exposing anything for either side. I am pointing out that many are using this social argument without seeing all of the implications.

I am not complaining about one side over another either, I am just pointing out the other side of the coin that some use. There are drags on society from every sector, Nietzsche states that there are good and bad associated with each sector. I am not denying that either. That is why I used that exact statement of his. I alosounderstand that by discussing only the one side I have fallen in the trap that Nietzsche is warning us against.

Just as you have presented a side with your comment. But assuming or equating that this article is just about class warfare or blaming the weathy then you miss one side of what I have said.

Marxism is a dusty lie that I niether respect of condone. At the same time I do not respect the 'free market' system either at the moment, it ain't so free.

There are good and bad in all things, that is the simplest I can make my point.

  • 7 votes
#6.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:43 PM EST
afloatinasea

Vlad

The poor the rich, it doesn't matter any more because we havehit the proverbial wall. Now what matters is, do we stay down to be eaten by the worlds vultures, get up work together as a people or do we get up and turn on each other. Nothing would please most of the world more than to see us stay down and be eaten and disappear. It's sad to read and hear how the people of this country and it's institutions which has saved and helped so many is now so hated by so many. Maybe the world should remember what a wise old man once told me. If you are dancing with Lucifer, don't expect anyone to cut in.

  • 4 votes
#6.2 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:30 PM EST
Vlad's dog

Could not agree more with you afloatsinasea.

  • 3 votes
#6.3 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:33 PM EST
DaVinci-984257

Vlad's dog

Marxism is a dusty lie that I niether respect of condone

Can you be specific about Marxism and Marx himself? It seems you ignored the writings of one of the deepest thinkers of the nineteenth century. Can you tell me what the lie is?

  • 3 votes
#6.4 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:50 PM EST
Vlad's dog

I read all the wirters I could on this subject, Marx and others describe a better human and a better society in ways that I disagree with. my thinking is that we still are those cave dwellers in many ways, that we also fail to admit are the basis for many of our decisions. Fear still breeds strange responses to outside stimulus. A better human and a better society are good to go for but I feel that it never will be obtained. I trust systems to a certain extent and then I trust mother nature to screw that system up.

This subject is not my discipline but it is an interest I have always thought about.

  • 3 votes
#6.5 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:09 PM EST
DaVinci-984257

Aflostinasea

How do you judge productivity? Is it judged by how many jobs are created, how many charities are given money, how much more that is added to their wealth by investments or is it by how much the "we" can forcibly take from the "rich".

Who is forcibly taking from the rich? If you’re referring to taxes, the rich can exploit a number of tax loopholes. And why not, the rich were the ones who paid Washington a ton of money to pass such legislation on their behalf. Why do you feel so sorry for the wealthy anyway?

So once again Marxism raises its ugly head.

Please list a few of the ugly heads to which you refer.

Class warfare by people who seem to have one thing in mind, punish the wealthy and if possible destroy the wealthy "class".

Class warfare has been around for some time and continues to intensify due to laissez-faire Capitalism which concentrates money in the pockets of the super rich, to the detriment of average and low income earners.

Sanity, common sense and decency require that the criminals on Wall Street should have been punished. Quite the contrary happened as this society rewarded Wall Street a bailout for tanking the economy. Part of that bailout was used for huge Wall Street bonuses so stop feeling so sorry for every criminal on Wall Street. It’s during bad economic times like these that big investors use their wealth to buy up cheap property, buy low on shares, etc, to gain further wealth. Why do you feel so sorry for the wealthy anyway?

So true to Marxism it is the ones that don't have "wealth" that know best what to do with the "wealth" they haven't earned or paid taxes on and left to their children.

What line in Marx’s writing did he state this? I would love to read it.

So some of the inherited wealth is spent foolishy, that is non of your business unless of course you believe that you are superior to others.

Ah but they didn’t earn the wealth! Who said anything about superiority? Why do you feel so sorry for the wealthy anyway?

Are you and does that make you a "wealthy" person that should be controlled by the "we"?

Specifically, who is this “we”, you, me, the guy down the street?

  • 5 votes
#6.6 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:40 PM EST
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Physicist-retired

Vlad,

A very thoughtful piece. Thanks.

There are many drags on our society

This can be summarized simply: any person or institution that, through action or inaction, prevents society's progress is a drag on society.

When spending on quality education for all is not of the highest priority, that's a societal drag. The same is true for healthcare, housing, equal protection under the law, living wages and reducing our current income disparity, maintaining (or achieving) a healthy environment, insuring that every citizen over the age of 18 can vote, and (my bias is showing here) scientific/medical research.

It's not the poor, or the gays, or the sick, or the disenfranchised that are creating a drag on our society. All of the social ills described above are created and perpetrated by two groups: the wealthy and the powerful.

  • 9 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:50 PM EST
etva

Good point Physicist -- inaction can be just as damaging as action.

  • 7 votes
#7.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:00 PM EST
madmadam

Physicist, I have to disagree with you. I don't believe top priority spending on schooling lessens the drag on society. To the contrary, they have become so dictative about the WAY someone teaches that it destroys creativity in the human mind.
The very poor have great minds for creativity as a rule because they have to make do with what they have. It opens doors for a whole mess of very productive ideas for (usually) someone other than themselves, due to lack of funds to "make things happen" so to speak. To make cookies you have to have the dough, and oven! To fish you need a licence, a pole, etc... To be fair you have to be smart enough to know the difference!! Great article. I'm used to mean nasty people as i am one of your very poor.

  • 1 vote
#7.2 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:21 PM EST
Sally - Snoopy's Sister

MDM - random individuals have "great minds for creativity" it isn't reserved only for the poor and is why so many "wealthy" remain with the overabundance of goods.

And those in power do not always find it in their hearts to issue legal licenses or resources fairly. We all know this.

  • 3 votes
#7.3 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:28 PM EST
Physicist-retired

madmadam,

Let's take another look at what I wrote - you may find that we agree on more than you think.

You say:

I don't believe top priority spending on schooling lessens the drag on society. To the contrary, they have become so dictative about the WAY someone teaches that it destroys creativity in the human mind.

I wouldn't even try to argue with that. That's why I used the term 'quality education'. In my mind, an education that destroys creativity would be anything but a 'quality education'.

As such, I am very unhappy with No Child Left Behind, teacher tenure, education budgets funded by local property taxes, poor pay for teachers, and many other ills and inequities in our current education system. And IMO they are very real social drags.

As for:

I'm used to mean nasty people as i am one of your very poor.

I sincerely hope that I didn't sound nasty in my post. While it's no longer true, I (and my 4 children) lived well below the poverty line for many years while I pursued a higher education. I remember how nasty people can be when one uses food stamps, or can't pay an electric bill in winter. I hope things improve for you.

  • 4 votes
#7.4 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:22 PM EST
madmadam

actually, no i was not speaking of you. I thought everyone on this posting was rather nice actually. I said that's what i was used to when this subject was mentioned.
I don't believe pay makes a teacher good or bad, either. Lack of funding for the classroom could. People are having to pay for two years of college now for what a high school education did before. If you compare now with the 50's-80's, it's reversed. We were on an uphill climb then, a downhill roll now! This is about the time they(we the people/gov.) started making you pay to earn your keep. I just think America has gone way too far on many things. This is a drain.

  • 3 votes
#7.5 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:11 PM EST
KYPIAKOC

I don't believe pay makes a teacher good or bad, either. Lack of funding for the classroom could.

Pay doesn't make a teacher good, but you have to observe the principle you get what you pay for. I think we actually get more than what we pay for in terms of teachers' salaries. I think the quality of education would go up substantially if we increased teacher salaries. The reason being that, as in any profession, a happy employee is a good employee. Of course this would also mean that teachers must live up to certain expectations.

  • 2 votes
#7.6 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:41 PM EST
Physicist-retired

KYPIAKOC,

I completely agree.

I think I would have made a very good teacher (I did a lot of it as a grad student) but there's absolutely no way I could have supported a family like mine on a teacher's pay.

People who go into teaching today do it for one of two reasons:

1. They are truly committed to our country's children, and to making a difference (these are the good ones, and I had a number of them in my day)

2. They are unqualified for work in the private sector

If our country's future is important, why isn't creating a foundation for it's success and prosperity (a good education) a much higher priority? Many teachers earn less than a bartender. All of them earn less than the worst (employed) Wall Street trader.

  • 4 votes
#7.7 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:49 PM EST
KYPIAKOC

Funny the way things work, isn't it? Apparently the U.S. spends waaaay more than most countries on the education system, and yet is falling behind in a pretty embarassing way. Ithink the trouble is that so much money is being spent trying to "fix" the system, while ignoring the most important factor - the educators.

  • 2 votes
#7.8 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:57 PM EST
madmadam

I feel the problem is that every single time someone says "fix" something, it means pay them more. That's a big mistake. The politicians need fixed, the police need fixed, the schools need fixed, the prisons need fixed, the welfare system needs fixed, the only thing that doesn't need fixed are the American people. hmnn... Aside from the welfare system it all needs fixed by more money. You only need to read the forums to know that!

  • 1 vote
#7.9 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:22 PM EST
Vlad's dog

Some of are saying something else, re-evaluate where the money goes and what it is doing first.

  • 4 votes
#7.10 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:27 PM EST
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KYPIAKOC

As always, a thought provoking article. Thanks for posting!

I think the biggest drag on society would be the selfish pessimists with loud voices. We need more philanthropists, and we need to give them more of our attention.

  • 4 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:59 PM EST
magnoliaave

There are three types of drags to me...l) the poor of mind drag 2) the criminal drag and, 3) the ultra wealth drag. In so many countries there are only the rich and poor. In America we have the middle class who is not a drag on anyone. We must keep the middle class going strong...the small business owners, the blue collar workers, farmers, entrepreneurs and the dream of tomorrow.

l) I mention poor of mind because there some people who cannot get out of their rut...call it no incentive or lazy, if you will.

2)we know why.....

3)I mention ultra rich because there are some who inherited great wealth and do nothing and who have the means to do many great things.

Personally, am fed up with the blame being placed on the rich and powerful. There has always and will continue to be rich and powerful.

Thank you.

  • 3 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:26 PM EST
Vlad's dog

I agree with your assesment magnolia.

  • 3 votes
#9.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:29 PM EST
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CL1

Hi Vlad, interesting article. Thank you.

I doubt we agree on all aspects of this issue, but most likely there are a few areas that we do.

You ask, Who should be the culprit for the economic problems we all face today? The answer is probably multi-faceted, but I do think the large Coporations should take much of the blame for many reasons. I actually blame it on the resulting "socialism" present in their structure (we might not agree; circumstances can be different).

"Every progress must be preceded by a partial weakening.." ---That seems to happen, doesn't it; yet, is the result always progress? i.e., Nazism or National Socialism. It started as a result of Germany being impoverished after the War. There was growing economic, political and social chaos, and fear of increasing Communist influence. Thus the political Party formed as a combatant. (Sound like anything familiar happening now?) Although our influences are different (lack of a Hitler), we do have our Plutocracy leading the way with their similar Nationalism, forced racism, Authoritarianism and Militarism. Other similarities (to the Party under Hitler) might be territorial expansion (i.e., competition for resources) and possibly eugenics issues. My point is that the "weakening" might result in "progress" - but not for the people...Yet, who do we tend to blame? ..The people, ..instead of those who took our freedoms and opportunities away from us. ...just my thoughts. :)

  • 3 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:14 PM EST
Vlad's dog

The part of history you mention was always of interest to me. Much of what Hitler discussed was part of that Social Darwinist argument. my main focus of exploration has always been about man, nature and social structure. It would seem that we tend to forget why part of the structure is all about, controlling the nature in man. Each structure has weakness and strengths and the nature of some is to cheat that system. Some even think that having more control over the social structure they can alleviate or change things radically. Nature abhors that vacumn and may create chaos and destruction.

For me Nietzsche has made a statement that looks at both sides of the coin at once. I tend to do that a lot in my own work. Sometimes I feel like I am standing on the edge of a knife. LOL

  • 4 votes
#10.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:32 PM EST
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obie-one

To me a drag on society is the friction caused by the missing of an identifiable opportunity; for in that friction is what keeps us as a whole from gaining. It is done by many of us in this Nation because of the avail of so much opportunity. One does not have to be great to do things of greatness in a place like America but rather to strive to find the way to share in it and allow for it to be of what it is. Many a great person has come from nothing more than opportunity taken. Wasted or lost opportunity is the greatest drag a society can experience.

It goes hand in hand with why we ( the old guard) must find the way for the young of this Nation to find their way into the political arena without the need for great sums of money; for right now there are those waiting for the opportunity to find their greatness and we collectively are to become the "Drag" that will prohibit our survival if we do not change of this soon. Inaction is as dangerous to a society as wrong action and sometimes much worse. Without any intention or desire even the most sincere of us can become a drag on the rest for in this there are no bounds of who can partake with no criteria for participation........

  • 2 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:40 PM EST
Vlad's dog

Good words obie-one. You are very right that we can all become that drag or should I say will become that drag.

  • 2 votes
#11.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:47 PM EST
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owlsview

Apathy is the culprit. Apathy on the part of all classes. Not just on the part of the rich or the poor or those stuck in between. When a person or a group of people withing a society stop paying attention or caring about what others in his society are doing he makes himself a drag on society as well as making himself a target for blame. Widespread apathy leaves the door wide open for the predator authoritarians to attack and manipulate the rights of all.

Consider that the poor are the most productive of all. The have to work harder to survive.

  • 5 votes
Reply#12 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:45 PM EST
Vlad's dog

Apathy has beaten al of us down throughout our lives. many times doors everywhere seem to stay closed. it is giving into it that is the worst part. I have been there so I know. I think society goes through those apathy times. It is how we struggle, and what we do as a society, to get out of that mood that is most important.

  • 4 votes
#12.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:51 PM EST
owlsview

Quite possibly the last two elections and the formation of the "Tea Party" movement are positive signs that the veil of apathy that has been blanketing our society for decades is being thrown off.More and more people are getting fed up and speaking out. Opinions from all over the spectrum are being voiced. As a result we are going through a period of chaos in our efforts to regain the American society that we all thought we had been living with all along.

Our country has reached a point where either we lose it all or we fight like hell to get it all back. Effort is being made. There is one key ingredient in the make up of Americans that gives us an advantage over the rest of the world. We are not subservient. We are not quitters. If this country were a part of the European continent we would be compared to a wild animal. Our backs are literally against the wall. Back a wild animal into a corner, and you have a fight to the death on your hands.

We may not be able to undue everything that has occurred over the past few decades overnight, but we will prevail. I have faith in today's youth. My fellow oldsters must not forget that we were the youth of the 60's. We accomplished a lot. Not all of it good,, we made a number of mistakes, mostly by going to far in some areas. We got married, had kids, became more concerned with everyday survival and grew apathetic regarding politics.As a result much of what we fought for has become twisted and used to oppress us rather than free us. Our fault.

For years we have been the drag on society.

the famous theory of the survival of the fittest does not seem to me to be the only viewpoint from which to explain the progress of strengthening of a man or a race..

It is not the fittest who survive, it is the most determined that rule the jungle.

  • 1 vote
#12.2 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:30 PM EST
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Sally - Snoopy's Sister

Prejudicial racism is strictly a preference and has nothing to do with "weakeness" of the victim of such crimes.

Darwinism cannot explain how ten weak and dying dogs could eat up one very healthy dog in a few minutes. Survival of the fittest?

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Reply#13 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:09 PM EST
BLOGER-486140

The fittest are those who pass the most genes to the next generations. How does capitalism wealth and political power play into this. The entire concept of Social Darwinism is a ccorruption of Darwinian Evolution. It belongs in the ash bin of history. There is No scientific data to suggest the rich and powerful are more fit.

Victorian capitalist used this bastardized theory to justify their position over the masses. As history has show that power is derived from the masses can easily be taken away by the oppressed masses.

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Reply#14 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:10 PM EST
Vlad's dog

That is why I brought all this up Bloger. I smell social darwinism always creeping into the debate and people may or may not realize the argument is old. It seems when people discuss social structure, this old ghost pops up time and time again.

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#14.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:18 PM EST
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anti-status quo

Well written and insightful, all-the-while remaining nonpartisan. Much easier said then done.

Now to infuse the subject matter with a partisan twist, I'll leave you with the following quote which reflects upon Social Darwinism:

Sink-or-swim conservatism is not the American tradition, or the American heart. Empathy, mutual responsibility, fairness, and community - all progressive values - are part of this heritage. - George Lakoff and John Halpin

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Reply#15 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:36 PM EST
CL1

Also influencing Social Darwinism was Herbert Spencer in his multivolume: System of Synthetic Philosophy - a world-view based on close study of physical, biological and social phenomena arguing that species evolve by a process of 'differentiation' - from simple to the complex. (his political individualism was highly influential on social thinking)

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#15.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:03 PM EST
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